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- 时间: 2006-8-14 02:59原来如此! 如果他不是个犹太教徒的话,他大概是我亲自所见到的唯一一个如此狂傲而非犹太教徒的犹太人.我们完全是第三者,我甚至只有犹太人好朋友,对阿拉伯人而言,不但没有任何朋友,连一个阿拉伯人也不认识.但是做为一个够格的独立观察与思考者,本来就应当跳出个人好恶,忠实于良心及逻辑. 注意,我从未一般地批评犹太人,只是非常怀疑犹太教.我想他如果真的是为所有现在的犹太人,以及将来的犹太人着想的话,应当少说多听,利用他懂中文的良好条件,把海外多数华人知识分子的感觉,转达到以色列.当然,现在也没有理由认为他就是为以色列MOSSAD打工而已.
khua _BBCODE_WROTE:
此君乃犹太人, 娶了个台湾妻子, 曾游历过亚洲某些国和地区, 语言上有一定造诣, 中文当然深得夫人的帮助. 曾任菲沙河某研究机构, 为政府的有关移民政策做调查报告. 以前经常出现在中文电台的时事评论节目.
其长久以来的言行, 反华言论居多, 对华族的蔑视居多, 也许这和他有很多机会近距离观察中国人的很多缺点有关. 至于为何他只看缺点, 不得而知. 所以你看到他关于中国如何入侵西藏新疆, 汉族如何毁灭其他文化的言论, 完全不必惊讶. 而他跑到一个华人论坛上宣称自己代表加拿大主流意见, 对人头税问题指手画脚, 这里各位仍对其相敬如宾到是让我意外.
作为犹太血统的人为自己种族辩护, 其情可以理解, 然而又好标榜自己客观没有BIAS, 是为可笑.
而做为非华族, 试图要华人接受华人当初所受侮辱是特定时期的合理待遇, 无须纠正, 更鼓噪华人纠缠过去是"我很可怜"的表现, 是为无礼.
更在此以其狭窄偏差的中国历史认识试图污蔑丑化中国历史, 是为可恶. -
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- 时间: 2006-8-14 07:55 khua _BBCODE_WROTE:
此君乃犹太人, 娶了个台湾妻子, 曾游历过亚洲某些国和地区, 语言上有一定造诣, 中文当然深得夫人的帮助. 曾任菲沙河某研究机构, 为政府的有关移民政策做调查报告. 以前经常出现在中文电台的时事评论节目.
其长久以来的言行, 反华言论居多, 对华族的蔑视居多, 也许这和他有很多机会近距离观察中国人的很多缺点有关. 至于为何他只看缺点, 不得而知. 所以你看到他关于中国如何入侵西藏新疆, 汉族如何毁灭其他文化的言论, 完全不必惊讶. 而他跑到一个华人论坛上宣称自己代表加拿大主流意见, 对人头税问题指手画脚, 这里各位仍对其相敬如宾到是让我意外.
作为犹太血统的人为自己种族辩护, 其情可以理解, 然而又好标榜自己客观没有BIAS, 是为可笑.
而做为非华族, 试图要华人接受华人当初所受侮辱是特定时期的合理待遇, 无须纠正, 更鼓噪华人纠缠过去是"我很可怜"的表现, 是为无礼.
更在此以其狭窄偏差的中国历史认识试图污蔑丑化中国历史, 是为可恶.
There are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. Remember we were all taught by XXX that Korean War was started by Americans. Now how twisted was that? It’s funny how we all accepted it as the gospel when we were growing up. I don't know which side Steve is on, but he is certainly welcome to express his opinions here. From what I observed so far, he is genuinely interested in Chinese people, culture and history, and his postings quite often are very insightful.
So what if his views are different from yours and sometimes mine? If we want everyone to repeat the same chant, we might as well to join a cult or go back to文革. It’s irrational to label someone反华 just because he has different views than Chinese. It’s the same as Bush labeling the insurgents “against freedom” just because they don’t want Americans to be in their country. Even within the Chinese community itself, there are different views with regard to西藏, 新疆, 人头税, FLG and many other sensitive issues. I guess we can always label those Chinese who are disagreeing with us as汉奸. -
- 时间: 2006-8-14 08:05 bcjobs _BBCODE_WROTE:
There are always 3 sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. Remember we were all taught by XXX that Korean War was started by Americans. Now how twisted was that? It’s funny how we all accepted it as the gospel when we were growing up. I don't know which side Steve is on, but he is certainly welcome to express his opinions here. From what I observed so far, he is genuinely interested in Chinese people, culture and history, and his postings quite often are very insightful.
So what if his views are different from yours and sometimes mine? If we want everyone to repeat the same chant, we might as well to join a cult or go back to文革. It’s irrational to label someone反华 just because he has different views than Chinese. It’s the same as Bush labeling the insurgents “against freedom” just because they don’t want Americans to be in their country. Even within the Chinese community itself, there are different views with regard to西藏, 新疆, 人头税, FLG and many other sensitive issues. I guess we can always label those Chinese who are disagreeing with us as汉奸.
完全同意你的批评，
不过， 你也不是很可观的人，
中国有句话：已所不欲， 勿施于人．
[quote="Steve"][quote="bcjobs"] Steve _BBCODE_WROTE:
I feel that the support for Hezbollah and Hamas is in line with the kind of support that existed among intellectuals for Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Castro, and on the right side of the spectrum, Hitler and Mussolini. These were all people responsible for the sacrifice of millions of people for empty slogans and utopian ideals. -
- 时间: 2006-8-14 08:09 khua _BBCODE_WROTE:
你大概是在这里和你的英文老师混得比较熟了， 当他是朋友， 看不得别人说他吗？打击是一定的了，但请问哪样是诬蔑了？
他那么喜欢把不同意见的人划归为和马列毛，甚至和希特勒墨索里尼占在同一战线的人， 那么给它顶反华的帽子也是礼尚往来而已．
Steve 的原话是
“To me a good part of Modern day Islam is like fascism allied with revanchard nationalism. It also has the anti-establishment appeal that Marxism had before it was shown to be a bankrupt ideology."
最多说他对伊斯兰教有偏见, 怎么上纲上线到: 把不同意见的人划归为和马列毛，甚至和希特勒墨索里尼占在同一战线的人?
不就事论事, 大家扣帽子, 只会搞得一潭浑水, 学习不到新的东西, 也解决不了任何问题 -
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- 时间: 2006-8-14 09:23 好奇 _BBCODE_WROTE:
You must mean ethnical background? Then really he does have Jewish background? I though it was a joke. If so he should certainly excuse himself from our discussion unless we listen a party of Islam believer as well.
Fortunately we live in a country where freedom of expression is still valued. I do not anyone's permission to express my views on any subject least of all 好奇's.
Let's just say that I was not impressed by 好奇's first post and subsequent waffling on whether he supported the implications of that post.
As to the opinions of Moslems, I would of course welcome their participation here. I am reading a book right now written by a Pakistani Moslem, Ahmed Rashid, on Central Asia, and the rapid spread of Wahabism and other fundamentalist Islamic thought aimed at the establishment of Sharia law in that region and eventually throughout the world. Recent surveys in the UK showed that a high percent of UK Moslems want to live under Shariya law, and want the UK to be under Shariya law. I believe the same message is taught in many Canadian Mosques. An aggressive form of Islam is becoming the mainstream. These forces are against the modern secular world. But in reality they offer an outlet for religious resentment but no long term solutions, just as Marxism offered an outlet for class resentment and an opportunity for sloganizing and a tool for seizing power, but no long term viable solutions for managing society. -
- 时间: 2006-8-14 09:33 bcjobs _BBCODE_WROTE:
Steve, I agree with some of things you said. Not sure about your criticism on Islam though. I used to hang out with a few Muslims, and I sure didn't feel that they were trying to subjugate me, a non-believer in any way. Just to be fair, I wonder if we could get some Muslims to share their view of Islam and perhaps Judaism here on this board.
I am not saying your opinion on the MidEast crisis is biased, but do you think your ethnic background is affecting your judgement in any way?
I am a Canadian. I do not contribute money to Israel nor do I consider Israel to my homeland in any way. It is possible that my ethnicity imfluences my opinion, who knows what influences our opinions on things. There are many non-Jews who share my opinion that aggressive Islam is a threat to our secular modern way of life. Of course not every Moslem is a part of aggressive Islam, most are probably indifferent and just wanting to get on with their lives. Thnat is always the case. A small active element determines the direction and nobody opposes them until it is too late. This was the case in other totalitarian or nationalist movements. The polls in the UK that I mentioned in another post suggest that the active elements in Islam are gaining strength and are opposed to our modern society.
I do not believe that Israel has a right its land by virtue of the hstory of 2000 years ago. Rather it is because they are there now. The issue is whether the Arab states surrounding it will allow it to exist. If the answer is no, and if they continue to threaten its destruction, Israel has no choice but to continue fighting for its survival and protection. Hezbollah's leader has sworn to kill Jews and even said that it is a good thing they are collected in Israel so that he does not have to go around the world looking fot them. (altho Hezbollah killed 80 Jews in Argentina and has committed similar acts elsewhere in the world). They have been stockpiling rockets and other weapons in Lebanon with the help of Syria and Iran with one intention. To me it is normal that Israel should attack them before it is too late. -
- 时间: 2006-8-14 09:50 好奇 _BBCODE_WROTE:
原来如此! 如果他不是个犹太教徒的话,他大概是我亲自所见到的唯一一个如此狂傲而非犹太教徒的犹太人.我们完全是第三者,我甚至只有犹太人好朋友,对阿拉伯人而言,不但没有任何朋友,连一个阿拉伯人也不认识.但是做为一个够格的独立观察与思考者,本来就应当跳出个人好恶,忠实于良心及逻辑. 注意,我从未一般地批评犹太人,只是非常怀疑犹太教.我想他如果真的是为所有现在的犹太人,以及将来的犹太人着想的话,应当少说多听,利用他懂中文的良好条件,把海外多数华人知识分子的感觉,转达到以色列.当然,现在也没有理由认为他就是为以色列MOSSAD打工而已.
I am curious to know how wide spread this is within the Chinese community here. Is to common to assume that any "foreigner" with a different opinion is 反华,对华族的蔑视, all opinions must be related to your own 血统 and therefore a Chinese person who disagrees with you is a 汉奸.
Is it normal to stress that your own opinions are "objective" and "logical" just because they are your own, as if there were only one position possible on any issue?
Is it normal to preach at people rather than discuss as in 应当少说多听,利用他懂中文的良好条件,把海外多数华人知识分子的感觉,转达到以色列.当然,现在也没有理由认为他就是为以色列MOSSAD打工而已.
Does this all come from the Cultural Revolution or does it have other origins. Or is this an isolated phenomenon?
犹太教 到底是什么?
