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- 时间: 2005-4-17 21:22It's pure politics! US want Japan taking more responsibility to balance off the increasing power of China government, politcially, even militarily.
And in every aspect, Japan are treating china as a potential enemy. Taiwang issue, oil field, text books. The political leader of Singapore just said recently: "一名具有理性与远见的日本领袖曾向他说过，如果美国和中共发生战争，过了二十、三十、四十或五十年，两国可以握手和解；但如果日本和中国交战，就算再过百年，两国也无法握手言和。"
You think "Man does not belong to his language or to his race", but there is a boundary inside of us. Racism, chauvinism, nationalism, terrorism, religions, capitalism, communism ... you name it.
[quote:6b4b3f9178="Steve"]This just proves that there is a world wide anti-Chinese conspiracy. Other people are just jealous of China's long history and present economic success.
Now that the Chinese economy is getting stronger and many city dwellers in China have good incomes, they need demonstrate more and destroy shops selling foreign goods. Now is the time for Chinese people to unite in their anger at other people and countries. Why stop at Japan? What about the US, Taiwan, Indonesia, India, Vietnam, and Great Britain (who can forget the Opium War?).
That will really show those other countries. They are just lucky to have China making things for them. Who needs them?[/quote:6b4b3f9178] -
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- 时间: 2005-4-17 21:35
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- 时间: 2005-4-17 22:11I meant my post to be sarcastic.
I used to visit China in the 1970s and then did not return until 2001. The first thing that struck me after my absence was the talk amongst Chinese people about 小日本 and the belief that China would eventually go to war with Japan.
I feel that this "us" versus "them" attitude amongst Chinese people is directed against anybody not Chinese. This attitude is evidenced by many if not most of the posts on this forum. I really wonder why people with such a tribal attitude emigrate. -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 03:30Two things about your post:
First, people do believe that china would eventually go to war with japan for lots of reasons now. But I don't think chinese are hostile to everybodies. Did you feel hostile from any chinese? Koreans are also hostile to Japanese. What about them? It has been a long time that Koreans protest against Japanese. There are even several Koreans pushing their government by suicides.
Secondly, people with such a tribal attitude do emigrate a lot. Irish, Korean, Greek, Turk, Muslem, Jew... People who can't love their enemies, leave their mother culture, history, language, even hatred, don't have reasons to emigrate, or shouldn't emigrate. Is it what you mean? You know what, I think it is you having an attitude problem.
You can speak, read, and write chinese well, doesn't mean you know everything about chinese, or you can judge chinese affairs. Hatred is not only existing in chinese-japan relation. They are all over the world.
[quote:b8720abc16="Steve"]I meant my post to be sarcastic.
I used to visit China in the 1970s and then did not return until 2001. The first thing that struck me after my absence was the talk amongst Chinese people about 小日本 and the belief that China would eventually go to war with Japan.
I feel that this "us" versus "them" attitude amongst Chinese people is directed against anybody not Chinese. This attitude is evidenced by many if not most of the posts on this forum. I really wonder why people with such a tribal attitude emigrate.[/quote:b8720abc16] -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 13:52BBC分析:日中两国纠纷既关系过去，更与未来有关 BBC中文网
日本政府批准通过了新教科书，被指责美化历史，引发中国数大城市大规模示威游行。其实，日中两国纠纷既关系过去，更与未来有关。 中国和韩国人每每抗议总要提到日本的靖国神社。在春季无数樱花的簇拥之中，作为神道教的重要神庙之一，靖国神社的确给人一种隆重、肃穆的感觉。 每天，成百上千的游人都会在巨大的木门之前闭目祈祷、为那250多万为日本帝国捐躯的阴魂祷告。不过，这些阴魂中也包括了日本战时首相、公认战犯东条英机，以及数十名其他重要战犯。日本现任领导人小泉纯一郎连续多年坚持以官方身份拜访靖国神社；此举引起中国、韩国和亚洲其它国家的不满。最近几天，日中关系可以说已经变得不能再坏了。 在过去几天里，中国各地反日抗议不断。除了领使馆之外，在中国的普通日本人和日本人商店也遭到攻击。很多中国网民不断呼吁抵制日货。一些分析人士称，中国共产党独裁政府希望通过民众示威游行争取更多的日本经济援助。也有一些分析人士称，这种义和团或红卫兵似的民众抗议，可以帮助中国政府缓解一些民间不满情绪。 然而，亲自访问了日本的我，难免感觉到，在日本，爱国主义情绪也日益根深蒂固。日本右翼人士撰写的教科书，形容杀害数十万中国人的、国际公认的南京大屠杀为"事件"。根据这些教科书，日本大举进攻亚洲国家只是为了和平目的解放受到西方殖民势力压迫的亚洲人。日本发行量最大的报纸《读卖新闻》，甚至都发表评论员文章称，新教科书终于敢于挑战那些"陈年谎言"。 我"有幸"参观了靖国神社的日本历史展览。在展览中，日本民族似乎完全是被迫地、天真无知地被迫卷入了世界大战。 展览形容南京大屠杀为：被彻底击败的中国人伤亡惨重。皇军进城后，居民终于得以再次恢复和平生活。 我此行偶尔碰到一位当年老兵。他的记述却完全不同。他说："不论年龄，所有女人都遭到强奸。每个妇女都至少被分派给15到20名士兵。强奸之后，我们用刺刀杀死她们；因为死人不会讲话。" 过去一百多年来，日本一直是亚洲的绝对老大。如今的中国，正像一级方程赛车即将超车一样紧跟着日本，使得前者不知所措。 这也许正是日中两国从政府到民众为何纠纷不止的原因吧。 (BBC记者 霍斯利)we -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 14:03在美国及大部分欧洲国家的眼中，日本过去一直是“形象不错”的国家。德国《图片报》在欧洲范围内做的一个调查，甚至将日本选为“最受欢迎的亚洲国家”。但最近几天，由于日本“争常”、修改历史教科书等问题，引发周边国家的强烈抗议，一下子将它的本来面目暴露在西方公众面前。西方主流媒体开始纷纷撰文，谴责日本的强硬外交政策，以及它在历史问题上不负责任的态度。德国《新消息报》的社评称：“二战已经结束60年了，日本始终没有承认历史错误，假如德国也拒绝承担历史责任的话，难以想像现在的欧洲会是什么样子。”联合国秘书长办公室一位不愿透露姓名的官员对记者说，绝大多数在联合国工作的国际职员，并不了解日本军国主义在二战期间对亚洲人民犯下的滔天罪行，但亚洲很多国家强烈反对日本“争常”一事，让他们看到了日本以前许多不为人知的事情。有联合国官员甚至惊呼：日本原来是这样的国家！
《德国之声》等媒体认为，对于亚洲国家的抗议活动，日本政府负有十分重大的责任，因为迄今为止，日本政府并没有从根本上反省自己的历史罪行，日本半心半意的道歉是不能让中韩等国满意的。瑞士《时代报》则在一篇题为《历史问题背后突显日中韩战略分歧》的分析文章中指出了日本的真正用心。文章称，1945年由战胜国美国参与撰写的日本宪法规定，日本自卫队只能自卫，如今这支队伍却出现在了伊拉克；日本潜在的民族主义也因首相小泉纯一郎对靖国神社的参拜而受到肯定……这一切都说明，日本正妄图改变它在亚洲的战略地位。
德国国际媒体研究所负责人弗罗托教授对记者说，以前，欧洲媒体很少关注二战后日本的表现，更不知道日本历史教科书是怎么回事；对于日本与周边国家的领土纷争、在亚洲国家的形象等，欧洲媒体也几乎不做报道。这次日本“争常”的不断升级，不仅让欧洲媒体了解了日本与邻国矛盾的原因，更让普通百姓认识到，日本不正视历史的行为是不会赢得尊重的。
德国亚洲研究中心安东纽斯博士说，日本是个很注意自己形象的国家，有详尽的国家形象推广计划。因此，多年来，欧洲人眼中的日本是先进、守信的，日本人也是彬彬有礼的。但近来，日本屡屡犯错，它对周边国家的强硬姿态让日本的国际形象大打折扣，很多人甚至认为日本人“不诚实”、“不负责任”、“自大”。这种转变会直接影响日本“争常”。在谈到日本政府对待历史问题的立场时，安东纽斯使用了欧洲媒体普遍使用的“修正主义”一词，这本来是欧洲媒体近来在谈论欧洲极右翼试图否定或篡改纳粹屠杀历史时所用的词汇。
美国媒体希望政府不要偏袒日本
近来，就连日本的盟友美国的媒体上也出现了揭露日本历史和现实问题的声音，同时希望美国不要一味偏袒日本。4月11日，美国《洛杉矶时报》发表署名文章称，日本首相小泉顽固地坚持参拜靖国神社，将自己的政治命运寄托于日本国内的右翼势力以及布什政府的对外政策。为保证美国政府对日本修改历史教科书不提异议，日本刻意将批评美国“单边主义”的字眼从教科书中删除。日本还不顾周边国家反对，迫不及待地想“争常”，让人怀疑其动机。文章认为：“尽管日本政府无论过去还是现在，都称得上是‘道德败坏’，但美国对此却一贯保持沉默。二战中，中美两国在打击日本军国主义上付出了巨大牺牲，但二战一结束，冷战开始，美国便不顾中国人民在日本侵华战争中受到的创伤，立即调转枪口，与日本交好，企图扼杀选择了共产主义的中国。现在冷战已经结束，到了美国应该听取中国正当诉求的时候了。”
《洛杉矶时报》这样的文章在美国媒体上并不多见，许多媒体流露出对日本的偏袒。但媒体的关注，以及对日本与中韩等亚洲国家交恶背景的介绍，还是让读者了解了很多他们过去从未听说的信息。退休老人洛佩兹·波蒂略说，《洛杉矶时报》这篇文章让她对日本这个国家有了新的认识。她说：“我今年70多岁了，以前从未听说日本强征慰安妇、篡改教科书等事情，只知道二战时日本人袭击了美国的珍珠港，给美国人民造成了巨大伤害。一个不能正视历史的民族，是不会得到其他民族尊重的。” 日本开始出现反思声音
在“争常”上，日本媒体已不像以前那般胸有成竹了，甚至在日本感觉最能拿出手的政府开发援助（ODA）上也出了问题。据日本共同社11日报道，经济合作与开发组织公布的对22个成员国2004年度ODA援助额显示，日本已连续4年递减。从ODA占国内生产总值的比率来看，日本为0.19%，不仅低于法国的 0.42%、英国的0.36%和德国的0.28%，更远低于联合国设定的0.7%的目标值，从上一年度的第19位下降到第20位。这成为日本“争常”的又一个障碍。
与此同时，日本国内开始出现要求政府进行反思的声音。日本《朝日新闻》的社论称，中日关系在建交33年来沦落到这种境况，是“此前无法想像的”，而导致中日关系恶化的罪魁祸首就是小泉参拜靖国神社。文章称：“首相在去年9月表明要加入安理会常任理事国。但是，非但没有得到韩国的支持，反到激怒它，并开始阻止起日本‘争常’了。中国也因此掀起了声势浩大的抗议日本的活动。试问在关键的亚洲地区都无法得到支持，日本采取的是怎样的战略呢？”文章最后指出：“首相强调要构筑‘世界中的日美同盟关系’，但如果在亚洲都无法稳固立足的话，日本只能成为依赖美国的寄生虫。” -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 14:22[quote:7728e0803d="Steve"]The first thing that struck me after my absence was the talk amongst Chinese people about 小日本 and the belief that China would eventually go to war with Japan.
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[color=blue:7728e0803d]Steve, there are also a big percentage of Chinese do NOT bear that kind of view.
And trust me, those window-smashing, car-burning hooligans who scream the most will definitely NOT join the army if there is a war.
Any country has bottom feeding low lives. China has a huge population, so by percentage it also has tons of scum bags, they are full of energy and nowhere to release. But I don't think they represent the main stream of today's Chinese people.[/color:7728e0803d] -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 15:44广播体操
I sure hope you are right. I should say as well that I very much appreciate your independent stand on many issues at Westca. I am sure this is difficult for you to do given the monolithic mindset of so many of the posters.
You and a very few others here at Westca restore my confidence in the sense of proportion and the sense of humour of Chinese people. -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 16:38[quote:b80f16ded9="Steve"]广播体操
I sure hope you are right. I should say as well that [b:b80f16ded9]I very much appreciate your independent stand on many issues at Westca.[/b:b80f16ded9] I am sure this is difficult for you to do given the monolithic mindset of so many of the posters.
You and a very few others here at Westca restore my confidence in the sense of proportion and the sense of humour of Chinese people.[/quote:b80f16ded9]
Steve话里有话啊。请问这里谁不是independent？莫非施化的“枪手”论还是从你这里学去的不成？ -
- 时间: 2005-4-18 17:21[quote:a55f58737a="Steve"]I am sure this is difficult for you to do given [b:a55f58737a]the monolithic mindset of so many of the posters[/b:a55f58737a]. [/quote:a55f58737a]
看Steve的帖子真是可以不断学习英文啊。
从以前的：paranoid, garbage, what's your problem, political ******grapher, the freak show at the circus, 到现在的monolithic mindset。看来我英文里的mellow tone也可以进步不少了。
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