#1: 作者: 土跋鼠, 时间: 2014-7-21 22:27

刚刚出来的文章。

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels

很明显乌克兰和美国的目的就是要趁机消灭分裂军。



While the rebels have been heavily criticised for blocking access to the crash site, it was the Ukrainian army that seemed intent on disrupting expert work on Monday, as they apparently launched an offensive against rebel positions close to Donetsk railway station, as well as in other towns across the region.

The Ukrainian authorities said they were not targeting residential areas. "We are coming to the city, special assault groups are working there," Vladislav Seleznev, spokesman of anti-terrorist operation, told the Guardian. "Within city boundaries we are not using heavy artillery," he added.

#2: 作者: 绝不用力, 时间: 2014-7-21 23:41

土跋鼠 写道:

刚刚出来的文章。 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels 很明显乌克兰和美国的目的就是要趁机消灭分裂军。 While the rebels have been heavily criticised for blocking access to the crash site, it was the Ukrainian army that seemed intent on disrupting expert work on Monday, as they apparently launched an offensive against rebel positions close to Donetsk railway station, as well as in other towns across the region. The Ukrainian authorities said they were not targeting residential areas. "We are coming to the city, special assault groups are working there," Vladislav Seleznev, spokesman of anti-terrorist operation, told the Guardian. "Within city boundaries we are not using heavy artillery," he added.

这对乌来说是最好的机会。。。因为，游击队可能慑于目前的政治压力而放不开手脚。。。

从俄角度来讲，这也许是个机会，如果战事扩大到几个城市。。。那MH17恐怕很快就被人忘记了。。。。

可怜的乌克兰越陷越深。。。。 。。。大规模内战一起，就再也停不下来了。。。

#3: 作者: 糊里糊涂, 时间: 2014-7-21 23:50

绝不用力 写道:

土跋鼠 写道: 刚刚出来的文章。 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels 很明显乌克兰和美国的目的就是要趁机消灭分裂军。 While the rebels have been heavily criticised for blocking access to the crash site, it was the Ukrainian army that seemed intent on disrupting expert work on Monday, as they apparently launched an offensive against rebel positions close to Donetsk railway station, as well as in other towns across the region. The Ukrainian authorities said they were not targeting residential areas. "We are coming to the city, special assault groups are working there," Vladislav Seleznev, spokesman of anti-terrorist operation, told the Guardian. "Within city boundaries we are not using heavy artillery," he added. 这对乌来说是最好的机会。。。因为，游击队可能慑于目前的政治压力而放不开手脚。。。 从俄角度来讲，这也许是个机会，如果战事扩大到几个城市。。。那MH17恐怕很快就被人忘记了。。。。 可怜的乌克兰越陷越深。。。。 。。。大规模内战一起，就再也停不下来了。。。

观点不对吧。如果没有俄罗斯支持，分裂分子应该不是政府军对手，出了MH17事情，普京要收敛支持分裂分子的力度，分裂分子应该没力量扩大战场。另外现在调查期，战斗是让西方忌恨的。一切都看普京的选择了。普京虽然强硬，确不是250，目前应该不会支持扩大冲突。

#4: 作者: 绝不用力, 时间: 2014-7-22 00:01

糊里糊涂 写道:

绝不用力 写道: 土跋鼠 写道: 刚刚出来的文章。 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/22/mh17-black-boxes-handed-over-pro-russia-rebels 很明显乌克兰和美国的目的就是要趁机消灭分裂军。 While the rebels have been heavily criticised for blocking access to the crash site, it was the Ukrainian army that seemed intent on disrupting expert work on Monday, as they apparently launched an offensive against rebel positions close to Donetsk railway station, as well as in other towns across the region. The Ukrainian authorities said they were not targeting residential areas. "We are coming to the city, special assault groups are working there," Vladislav Seleznev, spokesman of anti-terrorist operation, told the Guardian. "Within city boundaries we are not using heavy artillery," he added. 这对乌来说是最好的机会。。。因为，游击队可能慑于目前的政治压力而放不开手脚。。。 从俄角度来讲，这也许是个机会，如果战事扩大到几个城市。。。那MH17恐怕很快就被人忘记了。。。。 可怜的乌克兰越陷越深。。。。 。。。大规模内战一起，就再也停不下来了。。。 观点不对吧。如果没有俄罗斯支持，分裂分子应该不是政府军对手，出了MH17事情，普京要收敛支持分裂分子的力度，分裂分子应该没力量扩大战场。另外现在调查期，战斗是让西方忌恨的。一切都看普京的选择了。普京虽然强硬，确不是250，目前应该不会支持扩大冲突。

乌克兰政府不会慢下来。。。如果普金收敛，东部地区的亲俄派就会失败，而那样俄罗斯对俄罗斯族的政治承诺就没用了，接着其他共和国的局势也就出现不安。。。同时，大批乌克兰难民还会涌入俄罗斯。。。

和这个结果比起来，加大援助，对俄罗斯来说，反而是损失最小的。。。因为老美不会在乌克兰之后就此收手。。。反正都一样，MH17本来就是噱头。。。舆论战！不然谁疯了会打民航？

最终的结果是，亲俄派是否顶的住，和乌克兰政府军是否赢的了。。。

继续看吧。。。。普金如果手软，失败的就是他。。。。感觉！。。。