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文章 時間: 2018-3-19 10:39 引用回復
如題,賣家用來出租的而不是自住的,這個要注意什麼啊? 例如稅務方面或者其他什麼? 微信看到什麼賣家欠稅什麼,找不到原帖了。

還有如果賣家是外國人,需要Clearance Certificate, 律師會去查賣家是否外國人嗎? 是不是全盤相信律師就好?
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-19 13:13 引用回復
You should also be aware the if the previous owner lied to City of Vancouver's empty home declaration form, you are LIABLE for the $10,000/day penalty if the city audit and found the declaration to be false. The declaration is tied to the property, not the owner. Thus, the new owner is LIABLE.

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文章 時間: 2018-3-19 14:24 引用回復
VCIMessenger 寫道:
You should also be aware the if the previous owner lied to City of Vancouver's empty home declaration form, you are LIABLE for the $10,000/day penalty if the city audit and found the declaration to be false. The declaration is tied to the property, not the owner. Thus, the new owner is LIABLE.

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這個律師會take care嗎? 不然我怎麼知道他lie不lie的啊?
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-19 14:29 引用回復
ledia170 寫道:
這個律師會take care嗎? 不然我怎麼知道他lie不lie的啊?

good point...不過只要妳過戶後不要空關就好了,City也沒法查之前是不是空屋。關於賣家是不是外國人,這個律師都會把關的,不用擔心。
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-20 07:21 引用回復
ledia170 寫道:
VCIMessenger 寫道:
You should also be aware the if the previous owner lied to City of Vancouver's empty home declaration form, you are LIABLE for the $10,000/day penalty if the city audit and found the declaration to be false. The declaration is tied to the property, not the owner. Thus, the new owner is LIABLE.

Good luck!


這個律師會take care嗎? 不然我怎麼知道他lie不lie的啊?



That's just it, no one except the owner really knows. The city can go back and audit the last 3 years. So let's use an example of person B bought from person A in 2022, and person A has always declared the house as primary residents for full time occupancy in 2019, 2020, and 2021. Now in 2023, someone phoned the city tip line saying person A lied on his declaration form for 2020 and 2021, and provided some proof and the city decides to audit. The audit will mail the current owner of the residence for proof that the residence was used as primary residence. How would person B, the new owner, possibly provide proof? Person B might not even know how to contact person A. Even if person B can, and person A did lied, why would person A provide any help in that case?

The city of Vancouver can't, and likely too lazy, to go after person A. Nor can they just let it slide because then it would mean the empty home tax is almost toothless. So any fine they slap would be against the property which is now owned by person B and therefore liable to pay the fines.

Off course, person B can try to take city to court over it, but that's a lot of $$$ & hassle & time.

City of Vancouver currently doesn't provide a Clearance Certificate like CRA do for taxes payable. It might in the future, who knows. However, how much do you trust the city gov't to do the right thing, and be competent in this when they can put a lien of $10K per DAY penalty on a house!
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-20 08:40 引用回復
這個空屋稅是新東西,可能會有不少糾紛。外加省政府的投機稅。可能都叫律師做的話律師費還要加價。
其他的部分只要用最新的購物合同,並且認真起草合同,是可以得到很好的保障的。

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文章 時間: 2018-3-20 09:00 引用回復
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ledia170 寫道:
VCIMessenger 寫道:
You should also be aware the if the previous owner lied to City of Vancouver's empty home declaration form, you are LIABLE for the $10,000/day penalty if the city audit and found the declaration to be false. The declaration is tied to the property, not the owner. Thus, the new owner is LIABLE.

Good luck!


這個律師會take care嗎? 不然我怎麼知道他lie不lie的啊?



That's just it, no one except the owner really knows. The city can go back and audit the last 3 years. So let's use an example of person B bought from person A in 2022, and person A has always declared the house as primary residents for full time occupancy in 2019, 2020, and 2021. Now in 2023, someone phoned the city tip line saying person A lied on his declaration form for 2020 and 2021, and provided some proof and the city decides to audit. The audit will mail the current owner of the residence for proof that the residence was used as primary residence. How would person B, the new owner, possibly provide proof? Person B might not even know how to contact person A. Even if person B can, and person A did lied, why would person A provide any help in that case?

The city of Vancouver can't, and likely too lazy, to go after person A. Nor can they just let it slide because then it would mean the empty home tax is almost toothless. So any fine they slap would be against the property which is now owned by person B and therefore liable to pay the fines.

Off course, person B can try to take city to court over it, but that's a lot of $$$ & hassle & time.

City of Vancouver currently doesn't provide a Clearance Certificate like CRA do for taxes payable. It might in the future, who knows. However, how much do you trust the city gov't to do the right thing, and be competent in this when they can put a lien of $10K per DAY penalty on a house!


如果這樣的話, 買出租房投資房得offer便宜點,剩下的精力去周圍鄰居調查。
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-20 09:04 引用回復
VCIMessenger 寫道:
ledia170 寫道:
VCIMessenger 寫道:
You should also be aware the if the previous owner lied to City of Vancouver's empty home declaration form, you are LIABLE for the $10,000/day penalty if the city audit and found the declaration to be false. The declaration is tied to the property, not the owner. Thus, the new owner is LIABLE.

Good luck!


這個律師會take care嗎? 不然我怎麼知道他lie不lie的啊?



That's just it, no one except the owner really knows. The city can go back and audit the last 3 years. So let's use an example of person B bought from person A in 2022, and person A has always declared the house as primary residents for full time occupancy in 2019, 2020, and 2021. Now in 2023, someone phoned the city tip line saying person A lied on his declaration form for 2020 and 2021, and provided some proof and the city decides to audit. The audit will mail the current owner of the residence for proof that the residence was used as primary residence. How would person B, the new owner, possibly provide proof? Person B might not even know how to contact person A. Even if person B can, and person A did lied, why would person A provide any help in that case?

The city of Vancouver can't, and likely too lazy, to go after person A. Nor can they just let it slide because then it would mean the empty home tax is almost toothless. So any fine they slap would be against the property which is now owned by person B and therefore liable to pay the fines.

Off course, person B can try to take city to court over it, but that's a lot of $$$ & hassle & time.

City of Vancouver currently doesn't provide a Clearance Certificate like CRA do for taxes payable. It might in the future, who knows. However, how much do you trust the city gov't to do the right thing, and be competent in this when they can put a lien of $10K per DAY penalty on a house!


正常的律師事務所在房屋交易的程序裡會要有一份 BC online 的 title search, 這份 title search 會顯示屋主(們) 在本省行政區域內所擁有的所有物業,汽車,和公司。公司的注冊地址。 很多資料一目了然。同時也會聯絡物業所在城市的市政府調取物業稅的繳費記錄。

一直以來,non resident 賣家在賣出物業的時候, 律師事務所會withhold 一個比例的金額在trust account 裡面做為capital gain property tax.

自從2001 年以後 所有物業買賣雙方都要本人或代理人在房屋買賣中出具有效的身份證件,並拷貝留份。

買賣物業最好找專業的律師事務所或公證處辦理手續。 很多東西不是越便宜越好, title insurance, title certificate, title search, clearance certificate, form A, form B, form C, insurance binder ...etc.. 這些律師事務所和公證處都要付費.
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-21 09:34 引用回復
Maplecreek 寫道:
正常的律師事務所在房屋交易的程序裡會要有一份 BC online 的 title search, 這份 title search 會顯示屋主(們) 在本省行政區域內所擁有的所有物業,汽車,和公司。公司的注冊地址。 很多資料一目了然。同時也會聯絡物業所在城市的市政府調取物業稅的繳費記錄。

一直以來,non resident 賣家在賣出物業的時候, 律師事務所會withhold 一個比例的金額在trust account 裡面做為capital gain property tax.

自從2001 年以後 所有物業買賣雙方都要本人或代理人在房屋買賣中出具有效的身份證件,並拷貝留份。

買賣物業最好找專業的律師事務所或公證處辦理手續。 很多東西不是越便宜越好, title insurance, title certificate, title search, clearance certificate, form A, form B, form C, insurance binder ...etc.. 這些律師事務所和公證處都要付費.

However, with respect to empty home tax, there is absolutely nothing you can do to ensure the city wouldn't do an audit going back 3 years and potentially nail you with the $10,000/day penalty right now. Maybe the city will come out with something like CRA's Clearance Certificate in the future, or empty home tax goes away. But right, there is no legal protection / insurance for the new buyers.
 
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文章 時間: 2018-3-21 09:39 引用回復
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However, with respect to empty home tax, there is absolutely nothing you can do to ensure the city wouldn't do an audit going back 3 years and potentially nail you with the $10,000/day penalty right now. Maybe the city will come out with something like CRA's Clearance Certificate in the future, or empty home tax goes away. But right, there is no legal protection / insurance for the new buyers.

Request a FormT776 就可以知道這個房子的租賃情況了。
 
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